Q: If a person has no ideal, how can he realize himself?
Krishnamurti: Although most of us are looking for achievements, is there such a thing? We realize ourselves through family, sons, brothers, wives, property, recognized countries or groups, and through the pursuit of ideals and the continuation of "I". At different levels of consciousness, there are different forms of achievements.
Is there such a thing as achievement? What is achievement? What are we looking for or identifying with? When did you feel successful? When do you seek success?
If you think what we're talking about is just a literal level, please go! You are just wasting your time. But if you want to pursue it further, then follow it carefully, because we need wisdom, not lifeless repetition of phrases, words and examples. What we need is creation, intelligent integrated creation; This means finding a solution directly through your understanding of the psychological process. So while listening to me, make it directly related to yourself and experience what I say. And in my words, you can't experience it. Only when you have the ability and desire, when you observe your thoughts and feelings, can you experience it.
When will the wish come true? When did you realize its existence and pursue and realize it? Please pay attention to yourself. When did you become conscious? Didn't you realize when you were blocked? Don't you realize when you feel very lonely and see yourself clearly? Only when you feel empty and lonely will you realize this desire for achievement. Then you pursue success through countless forms, sex, relationships with property, trees and everything at different levels of consciousness. This desire to become, identify and realize will only exist when the consciousness of "I" is empty and lonely. This desire to realize is what we call loneliness. Therefore, our question is not how to achieve it or what is achievement, because there is no such thing as achievement. I can't be realized, it's always empty. When you accomplish something, you may feel successful and full, but when this feeling leaves, you return to an empty state. So you began to pursue the same process as usual.
So "I" is the initiator of emptiness. "I" is emptiness, and "I" is a process of self-enclosure, in which we experience great loneliness. So, pay attention to this, we are escaping through various forms of identification. These identities are called achievements. In fact, there is no achievement, because the mind and "I" cannot be realized. It is natural that "I" will be self-enclosed.
So, what should a mind aware of emptiness do? This is your problem, isn't it? For us, the pain of emptiness is very strong. We tried every means to get rid of it. Any illusion is enough, and this is the source of illusion. The mind has the ability to create hallucinations. As long as we don't understand loneliness, the state of self-isolation and loneliness-doing what we want and pursuing what we want-is always blocked by obstacles and cannot be completed.
Therefore, our difficulty is to realize this emptiness and loneliness. We have never met face to face. We don't know what it looks like and what its characteristics are, because we always escape, shrink back, isolate and agree. We never face it directly and merge with it. We are the observer and the observed: that is, the mind, that is, "I"-observing emptiness, this "I", that is, the thinker, and then starting to understand ourselves or escape from emptiness.
So, is emptiness and loneliness different from observers? Isn't the observer itself empty? Because if the observer has no ability to recognize what he calls loneliness, he has no experience. He is empty, he can't influence, he can't do anything. Because if he does something, he becomes an observer to influence what he observes, which is a wrong relationship.
Therefore, when we know, understand and know that it is empty and cannot affect it, then the emptiness we recognize from the outside has different meanings. So far, we have approached it as an observer. Now, the observer itself is empty, lonely and lonely. What can he do? Obviously, you can't. Then, his relationship with the observer is completely different. He's lonely. He is in a state where he can't express "I am empty" in words. When he is linguistic or concrete, he is different from it. Therefore, when the verbal expression stops, when the experiencer stops experiencing loneliness, he also stops escaping, when he is completely lonely. His relationship itself is lonely, and he is also lonely. When he fully understands, emptiness and loneliness disappear.
Loneliness and loneliness are completely different. Loneliness must be transformed into loneliness. Loneliness cannot be compared with loneliness. People who understand loneliness can't understand loneliness. Are you lonely? Our hearts can't blend in with loneliness. The process of mind is separated. Only by being apart can we understand loneliness.
But loneliness is inseparable. It is some rather than the majority, not influenced by the majority, not the result of the majority, and not integrated like the mind. The mind belongs to most people. The mind is not an independent entity. It has been integrating and reshaping for centuries. The mind cannot exist alone. The mind cannot understand loneliness. But if you notice loneliness when you are experiencing loneliness, you will enter loneliness. This is immeasurable.
Unfortunately, most of us seek dependence. We need partners, we need friends; We want to be apart and in conflict. Loneliness cannot exist in a state of conflict. But the mind can never see this, can't understand this, it only knows loneliness.
Q: You said that the truth will come only when people can be lonely and fall in love with sadness. That's not clear. Please explain your so-called loneliness and falling in love with sadness.
Krishnamurti: Most of us don't communicate with anything. We don't communicate directly with our friends, wives and children. We didn't communicate directly with anything. Obstacles always exist-mental, imaginary and real. And separation is obviously the cause of sadness. Don't say, "Yes, we have. We know it verbally. " If you can experience it directly, you will find that sadness cannot be ended through any psychological process. You can explain sadness, which is a psychological process, but sadness still exists, although you may cover it up.
Therefore, to understand sadness, you must love it. In other words, you must communicate with it directly. If you know something completely-your neighbor, wife or any relationship-you must get close to it. You must approach it without any objection, prejudice, blame or disgust. You have to look at it. If I knew you, I would have no prejudice against you. I must be able to look at you without prejudice or hindrance. I have to communicate with you, which means I have to love you. Similarly, if I understand sadness, I must love it and communicate with it. I can't, because I use explanation, theory, hope and procrastination to escape. These are all processes of verbal expression. Therefore, language prevented me from communicating with sadness. Language-explaining and rationalizing words or words, which is a psychological process-makes it impossible for me to communicate directly with sadness. Only when I communicate with sadness can I understand it.
The next step is: am I, the observer of sadness, any different from sadness? As a thinker and experiencer, am I different from sadness? I concretize it in order to do something, avoid it, overcome it and escape it. What's the difference between me and what I call sadness? Of course there is no difference. So I am sad-I am not sad alone, I am different from sadness, but I am sad. Then it is possible to end the sadness.
As long as I am an observer of sadness, sadness will not end. But when I realize that sadness is this "I", the observer is sadness, and when the mind understands that it is sadness-not when observing sadness, nor when feeling sadness-it is the initiator of sadness and the person who feels sadness, then sadness will end. This is a difficult thing to experience, pay attention, because we are separated by centuries. What this requires is not traditional thinking, but a very alert, careful and wise consciousness. This state of wisdom fusion is loneliness. When the observer is the observed, it is a state of integration. When lonely, completely lonely, when the mind no longer seeks anything, no longer explores, no longer seeks rewards, and no longer escapes punishment, when the mind is truly calm, only then will the unmeasurable mind appear.
Madras13 February 952